Comments on: John Piper’s Replacement Theology http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology Tracking the End of Days... Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:52:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Julie http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-9013 Julie Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:49:09 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-9013 Thanks for your blog regarding this issue. I am just a simple person, but when I read scripture, I see the steadfastness of the LORD to his people, Israel. Past, present and future. I feel blessed to have been grafted in, and I am a branch that is mindful of the root! I attend Bethlehem, and am thankful for John Piper's teaching, yet I also understand that he is just a man, just as capable of being influenced by the filters he has in place. When Jesus' foot touches down on the Mount, all eyes will be on Israel. He will govern his kingdom from Jerusalem, so I take a bit of exception to the idea that the place is of passing significance. As I read your blog, I heard no disrespect toward Dr. Piper, only the difference in interpretations. I would hope that other posters who sit under Pastor Piper's teaching, know that he would would call for gracious, Christ-honoring words, especially with those with whom we disagree. The Lord bless you as you seek to honor him in spirit & truth! Thanks for your blog regarding this issue. I am just a simple person, but when I read scripture, I see the steadfastness of the LORD to his people, Israel. Past, present and future. I feel blessed to have been grafted in, and I am a branch that is mindful of the root! I attend Bethlehem, and am thankful for John Piper’s teaching, yet I also understand that he is just a man, just as capable of being influenced by the filters he has in place. When Jesus’ foot touches down on the Mount, all eyes will be on Israel. He will govern his kingdom from Jerusalem, so I take a bit of exception to the idea that the place is of passing significance.

As I read your blog, I heard no disrespect toward Dr. Piper, only the difference in interpretations. I would hope that other posters who sit under Pastor Piper’s teaching, know that he would would call for gracious, Christ-honoring words, especially with those with whom we disagree. The Lord bless you as you seek to honor him in spirit & truth!

]]> By: admin http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-8939 admin Wed, 05 Oct 2011 07:05:54 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-8939 Thank you for your comment, Matthew Vincent... I agree that Dr. Piper is a gifted and powerful speaker, and I share your sense of mystification whenever I try to fathom why he seems to turn a blind eye to the miracle of Israel and God's faithful love for the Jewish people.... Shalom Thank you for your comment, Matthew Vincent… I agree that Dr. Piper is a gifted and powerful speaker, and I share your sense of mystification whenever I try to fathom why he seems to turn a blind eye to the miracle of Israel and God’s faithful love for the Jewish people…. Shalom

]]> By: matthew vincent http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-8929 matthew vincent Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:45:13 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-8929 Hi, I think John Piper is a very anointed and godly preacher and I really appreciate his ministry in general...having said that, on this issue, I do agree with you. I just read a sermon of his from some years ago (sorry did not make a note of the year/title) and was surprised and disappointed to see that it was clear replacement theology.As a result I did a web search to see if that was the impression of any other people, and found your article. What a shame. I will continue to respect and enjoy John Piper's ministry. I have heard God through him many times and been greatly helped. I also consider his book "The Supremacy of God in Preaching" one of the best books I have read. That said his position on Israel does not make any sense to me...as you rightly say it makes the return of Jewish people to Israel of no particular significance. That is ridiculous, as it is such a powerful sign of Gods hand on history, and a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.History is a testimony to the miraculous preservation of the Jewish people, which is quite remarkable, in the face of clear demonic hatred from the devil. That seems obvious to me-indeed, I was aware of it as a young man even before I was actually saved. All the best, Matthew. Hi, I think John Piper is a very anointed and godly preacher and I really appreciate his ministry in general…having said that, on this issue, I do agree with you. I just read a sermon of his from some years ago (sorry did not make a note of the year/title) and was surprised and disappointed to see that it was clear replacement theology.As a result I did a web search to see if that was the impression of any other people, and found your article.

What a shame. I will continue to respect and enjoy John Piper’s ministry. I have heard God through him many times and been greatly helped. I also consider his book “The Supremacy of God in Preaching” one of the best books I have read. That said his position on Israel does not make any sense to me…as you rightly say it makes the return of Jewish people to Israel of no particular significance. That is ridiculous, as it is such a powerful sign of Gods hand on history, and a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.History is a testimony to the miraculous preservation of the Jewish people, which is quite remarkable, in the face of clear demonic hatred from the devil. That seems obvious to me-indeed, I was aware of it as a young man even before I was actually saved.

All the best, Matthew.

]]> By: admin http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7963 admin Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:27:35 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7963 @Jeff Dunlap - Before asking your question, I'd like for you to tell me whether you've read the articles I have already written on this very question on the main site.... @Jeff Dunlap – Before asking your question, I’d like for you to tell me whether you’ve read the articles I have already written on this very question on the main site….

]]> By: Jeff Dunlap http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7948 Jeff Dunlap Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:01:21 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7948 Isn't the whole argument based on the question of "Who/what is Israel?" It seems that Paul is pretty clear in Romans 9:7-8 that it is not the blood-line that makes a person a true Israelite, but rather God's choosing. I am trying to understand replacement vs covenant theology, and wonder about this question. It seems to me that in Romans 11:1-5 Paul makes it pretty clear that "God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew" (I think FOREKNEW is the key word!), but because of His choosing (Ro. 9:18) He has kept for Himself "a remnant" just as He did in Elijahs time. So, in my attempt to better understand this issue, could you provide some insight (biblical, not emotional) on my opening question? Is Israel everyone who has ever been born from the bloodline of Abram, or is Israel all of God's chosen people, regardless of bloodline? Thanks for your help with this Isn’t the whole argument based on the question of “Who/what is Israel?” It seems that Paul is pretty clear in Romans 9:7-8 that it is not the blood-line that makes a person a true Israelite, but rather God’s choosing.
I am trying to understand replacement vs covenant theology, and wonder about this question. It seems to me that in Romans 11:1-5 Paul makes it pretty clear that “God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew” (I think FOREKNEW is the key word!), but because of His choosing (Ro. 9:18) He has kept for Himself “a remnant” just as He did in Elijahs time.
So, in my attempt to better understand this issue, could you provide some insight (biblical, not emotional) on my opening question? Is Israel everyone who has ever been born from the bloodline of Abram, or is Israel all of God’s chosen people, regardless of bloodline?

Thanks for your help with this

]]> By: Tina http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7905 Tina Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:27:12 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7905 I have been researching replacement theology and have been so saddened by its resultant effects on the Body of Christ as to cry with sadness over the entire matter. You are correct that it is pointless to argue with those whose ears do not hear. I recently remarked on a youtube video about Christians' obligation to bless Israel. I was howled down mostly by replacement theologists. Their vitriol was most disturbing with no love, patience or kindness being shown altogether. (Please note that I do not think all replacement theologists act in this way.) Someone remarked to me that it was someone that I didn't know, why should I have been so upset. I replied that whilst I didn't know that person, G-d does and that in itself is a reason to cry, not for me but for the Lord my God whose name is being dishonoured by such actions. This is post on the youtube video: "The theological position is that if you curse Israel you will be cursed and if you bless Israel you will be blessed. Who does the cursing and blessing? G-d! Gen 12-3. Judeo Christians do not do the cursing and blessing. Those who do not believe is the Christ, Jesus as John 3:16 says will perish. It is not we who say that but G-d himself. BTW the lake of fire is an eternal punishment for those who worship the 'beast' as well as the 'beast' himself. Any other questions just google them." For some reason one indvidual said that I was promoting replacement theology. I was flawed by his assumption, as I had no intention of ever promoting or agreeing with replacement theology. I was indicating that in the video the interviewee was telling the public that Christians were condemning those who do not believe into the lake of fire. I was merely stating that it is G-d not people who will do the condemning and that it was G-d who will do the cursing of those who curse Israel. I thought I had made myself clear. Obviously not! Then these were some response: "This position is the genuine postion whilst this (*) is spouting a jonny come lately replacement theology which I doubt she can even refute" and this "actually authentic christians! This makes the famous verses Rev 2:9 & 3:9 clear about those who say they are Jews but are not but are in fact part of the Synagogue of Satan! Since Jesus calls these 'Jews' satan does that mean that he is cursed? Furthermore, the only Israel recognised in the NT is actually spiritual and not physical Gal 6:16 ie the Israel of G_D ie the Church. Therefore, their is NO land to inherit in the ME for the Synagoge of Satan. BTW Kazah theory is lame!" Blessings to you. I have been researching replacement theology and have been so saddened by its resultant effects on the Body of Christ as to cry with sadness over the entire matter. You are correct that it is pointless to argue with those whose ears do not hear. I recently remarked on a youtube video about Christians’ obligation to bless Israel. I was howled down mostly by replacement theologists. Their vitriol was most disturbing with no love, patience or kindness being shown altogether. (Please note that I do not think all replacement theologists act in this way.) Someone remarked to me that it was someone that I didn’t know, why should I have been so upset. I replied that whilst I didn’t know that person, G-d does and that in itself is a reason to cry, not for me but for the Lord my God whose name is being dishonoured by such actions.

This is post on the youtube video: “The theological position is that if you curse Israel you will be cursed and if you bless Israel you will be blessed. Who does the cursing and blessing? G-d! Gen 12-3. Judeo Christians do not do the cursing and blessing. Those who do not believe is the Christ, Jesus as John 3:16 says will perish. It is not we who say that but G-d himself. BTW the lake of fire is an eternal punishment for those who worship the ‘beast’ as well as the ‘beast’ himself. Any other questions just google them.” For some reason one indvidual said that I was promoting replacement theology. I was flawed by his assumption, as I had no intention of ever promoting or agreeing with replacement theology. I was indicating that in the video the interviewee was telling the public that Christians were condemning those who do not believe into the lake of fire. I was merely stating that it is G-d not people who will do the condemning and that it was G-d who will do the cursing of those who curse Israel. I thought I had made myself clear. Obviously not!

Then these were some response: “This position is the genuine postion whilst this (*) is spouting a jonny come lately replacement theology which I doubt she can even refute” and this “actually authentic christians! This makes the famous verses Rev 2:9 & 3:9 clear about those who say they are Jews but are not but are in fact part of the Synagogue of Satan! Since Jesus calls these ‘Jews’ satan does that mean that he is cursed? Furthermore, the only Israel recognised in the NT is actually spiritual and not physical Gal 6:16 ie the Israel of G_D ie the Church. Therefore, their is NO land to inherit in the ME for the Synagoge of Satan. BTW Kazah theory is lame!”

Blessings to you.

]]> By: Kenneth Honkomp http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7894 Kenneth Honkomp Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:02:46 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7894 It is not surprising when many have quit believing that God created the the heavens, earth and all that is in them in six days several thousand years ago as the Bible says, that they would not take Him at His Word on other matters. Crack that door open you let in a lot of flies or a little leaven (you get the idea. Answers In Genesis is a good Word defender. k honkomp It is not surprising when many have quit believing that God created the the heavens, earth and all that is in them in six days several thousand years ago as the Bible says, that they would not take Him at His Word on other matters. Crack that door open you let in a lot of flies or a little leaven (you get the idea. Answers In Genesis is a good Word defender.

k honkomp

]]> By: Larry Kinsler http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7884 Larry Kinsler Sat, 09 Jul 2011 11:13:00 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7884 Please forgive me. The Scripture reference was Zec. 12:2-3. Please forgive me. The Scripture reference was Zec. 12:2-3.

]]> By: Melissa Graves http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7855 Melissa Graves Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:49:43 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7855 Thank-you for clarifying the debate for me! I am just becoming aware of Replacement Theology and am alarmed that it has so many prominent adherents. As a new Christian (some 30 years ago), I remember reading the Word for the first time and seeing the special relationship between God and Israel. It grieves me that so many Christians are being taught this wrong doctrine. Thank-you again for taking the time to post this information! May the Lord richly bless and keep you, Melissa Graves Thank-you for clarifying the debate for me! I am just becoming aware of Replacement Theology and am alarmed that it has so many prominent adherents. As a new Christian (some 30 years ago), I remember reading the Word for the first time and seeing the special relationship between God and Israel. It grieves me that so many Christians are being taught this wrong doctrine. Thank-you again for taking the time to post this information!

May the Lord richly bless and keep you,

Melissa Graves

]]> By: Danny alnaser http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7853 Danny alnaser Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:55:36 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7853 I am x- muslim , i came to know my lord and savior yeshua hamshekh 2 years ago, i began to study the bible on my own , no one helped me at all , and during my studying God enlightened my heart and i came to believe that God has not done with his people yet , Im really so sad to know that some of God's servants are drifting away of the truth , Don't be afraid brothers, Our God , God of israel will never abandon his people nor the one new man , Mr Piper is talking about Islam as if islam a heavenly Messege , why would he even mention islam at all ? what is wrong with him ? My Great Lord Jesus Christ Changed my heart from some one who totaly hates and want to wipe the state of israel off the map to a new Man , new creation, I Know that im on the right way and the holy spirit is encourging me to keep on it. God is about doing something soon , a great thing, "the replacement theology" is totaly against God's plan , anyway i can't say more than this , im still surrounded by some " non-christian replacement theology believers " and i hope that you understand what i mean , and i'm not safe, John Piper you are too old , but i really pray that God will keep you to the day when you see by your own Eyes what is God going to do . thanks all I am x- muslim , i came to know my lord and savior yeshua hamshekh 2 years ago, i began to study the bible on my own , no one helped me at all , and during my studying God enlightened my heart and i came to believe that God has not done with his people yet , Im really so sad to know that some of God’s servants are drifting away of the truth , Don’t be afraid brothers, Our God , God of israel will never abandon his people nor the one new man , Mr Piper is talking about Islam as if islam a heavenly Messege , why would he even mention islam at all ? what is wrong with him ? My Great Lord Jesus Christ Changed my heart from some one who totaly hates and want to wipe the state of israel off the map to a new Man , new creation, I Know that im on the right way and the holy spirit is encourging me to keep on it. God is about doing something soon , a great thing, “the replacement theology” is totaly against God’s plan , anyway i can’t say more than this , im still surrounded by some ” non-christian replacement theology believers ” and i hope that you understand what i mean , and i’m not safe, John Piper you are too old , but i really pray that God will keep you to the day when you see by your own Eyes what is God going to do .

thanks all

]]> By: Faith http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7755 Faith Wed, 25 May 2011 21:33:15 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7755 I have read your post- excellent! Your comment: Ultimately what you believe about Israel and Zion will affect ALL other areas of your theology! Is this not the truth! God will not bless those who will turn their backs away from God's people, the Jews. Christians, we are grafted in- we did not replace the Jewish people. God will redeem Israel again! These people will know Yeshua and believe in Him. I have read your post- excellent!
Your comment: Ultimately what you believe about Israel and Zion will affect ALL other areas of your theology!
Is this not the truth! God will not bless those who will turn their backs away
from God’s people, the Jews.
Christians, we are grafted in- we did not replace the Jewish people. God will redeem Israel again!
These people will know Yeshua and believe in Him.

]]> By: Allen C. Heatherly http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7739 Allen C. Heatherly Sun, 22 May 2011 21:11:10 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7739 Doesn't Replacement Theology get its start at The Councel of Niceia? Doesn’t Replacement Theology get its start at The Councel of Niceia?

]]> By: Tim Velasco http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7585 Tim Velasco Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:14:05 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7585 Thank you for standing up for the truth. I have heard Dr. Piper and I sincerely wish him well and know that the Lord has used him mightily, but on this point he is very wrong. And unfortunately it has an effect on all other areas of his teaching and theology. I know that God uses us even when we are wrong, but this makes me so heart broken for the millions of Jews that need to know the Messiah. From one who has been to Israel many times and has found God to be there just as much as he is here :) Thanks! Tim Thank you for standing up for the truth. I have heard Dr. Piper and I sincerely wish him well and know that the Lord has used him mightily, but on this point he is very wrong. And unfortunately it has an effect on all other areas of his teaching and theology. I know that God uses us even when we are wrong, but this makes me so heart broken for the millions of Jews that need to know the Messiah.

From one who has been to Israel many times and has found God to be there just as much as he is here :)

Thanks!

Tim

]]> By: James Sunduist http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7329 James Sunduist Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:46:45 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7329 Please be alerted to the following updates...and comment on Wayne Grudem. Rick Warren's Purpose-Driven Global Peace Plan vs. Scripture New Website http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com As though it is not enough that Rick Warren has a Muslim physician Dr. Oz speak from his pulpit who wants to hypnotize all of America, it is time for Dr. Laverne Adams and all Christians to sever their unholy alliance with Apostate Rick Warren and publicly renounce him, and come out from among them! "Warren just awarded Blair his annual International Medal of PEACE. The award is given to individuals who exemplify outstanding contribution toward alleviating the five global giants." SOURCE: http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-warren-to-interview-tony-blair-at-saddleback-church-48988/ You have to wonder after Rick Warren gives Tony Blair his Global Peace Plan Prize, who's next? Gaddafi? "Tony Blair believes Muslim cleric saved without Jesus" SOURCE: http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/tony-blair-quotes-koran-says-grand-mufti-gone-home-to-paradis/ Blair is a globalist and has converted to Roman Catholicism...totally apostate...Hybels has no business promoting him, but should be marking him. "I also mentioned Pastor Rick Warren who sits on the advisory board of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation that seeks to bring the religions of the world together." SOURCE: Brannon Howse http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6684 Contrast this with WAYNE GRUDEM'S statement: "Rick Warren's is truly advancing the work of the Kingdom of God" Wayne Grudem SOURCE: http://adrianwarnock.com/2010/05/wayne-grudem-on-the-atonement-unity-rick-warren-and-john-piper/ Recent update reports on Articles page: World Vision Betrays Israel NY Supreme Court Judgment against Top Assemblies of God Leaders Sima Motivational Abilities Pattern vs. Scripture Recent Videos: Experiencing God through Deceitful Mysticism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vghLjyVUSA Rick Warren Most Dangerous Pastor in the World http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vghLjyVUSA Rick Warren's SHAPE DISCOVERY CLASS Carl Jung Occult-based Personality Profiling (aka ASSEMBLIES OF GOD'S "WE BUILD PEOPLE") http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/wfalseteacher2.html I hope and pray that you will sound the alarm on His Holy Hill! Kindest regards in Christ, James Sundquist Director DISCLAIMER: Rock Salt Publishing was founded by author James Sundquist as a volunteer discernment ministry to assist those who have been affected by the abuse of ecclesiastical power or false doctrine. The contents of all of the emails, articles, blogs, books and broadcasts have been researched very thoroughly and carefully. Where applicable, both documentation and supportive Scripture references are provided. It is a very serious matter to bring charges against any organization or individual, and therefore if anyone reading these charges is able to substantiate that they are false, please bring this to our attention. Please be alerted to the following updates…and comment on Wayne Grudem.

Rick Warren’s Purpose-Driven Global Peace Plan vs. Scripture
New Website
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com

As though it is not enough that Rick Warren has a Muslim physician Dr. Oz speak from his pulpit who wants to hypnotize all of America, it is time for Dr. Laverne Adams and all Christians to sever their unholy alliance with Apostate Rick Warren and publicly renounce him, and come out from among them!

“Warren just awarded Blair his annual International Medal of PEACE. The award is given to individuals who exemplify outstanding contribution toward alleviating the five global giants.”
SOURCE: http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-warren-to-interview-tony-blair-at-saddleback-church-48988/

You have to wonder after Rick Warren gives Tony Blair his Global Peace Plan Prize, who’s next? Gaddafi?

“Tony Blair believes Muslim cleric saved without Jesus”

SOURCE: http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/tony-blair-quotes-koran-says-grand-mufti-gone-home-to-paradis/

Blair is a globalist and has converted to Roman Catholicism…totally apostate…Hybels has no business promoting him, but should be marking him.

“I also mentioned Pastor Rick Warren who sits on the advisory board of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation that seeks to bring the religions of the world together.”

SOURCE: Brannon Howse http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6684

Contrast this with WAYNE GRUDEM’S statement:

“Rick Warren’s is truly advancing the work of the Kingdom of God” Wayne Grudem
SOURCE: http://adrianwarnock.com/2010/05/wayne-grudem-on-the-atonement-unity-rick-warren-and-john-piper/
Recent update reports on Articles page:

World Vision Betrays Israel

NY Supreme Court Judgment against Top Assemblies of God Leaders
Sima Motivational Abilities Pattern vs. Scripture

Recent Videos:

Experiencing God through Deceitful Mysticism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vghLjyVUSA

Rick Warren Most Dangerous Pastor in the World

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vghLjyVUSA

Rick Warren’s SHAPE DISCOVERY CLASS Carl Jung Occult-based Personality Profiling (aka ASSEMBLIES OF GOD’S “WE BUILD PEOPLE”)
http://www.perfectpeaceplan.com/wfalseteacher2.html

I hope and pray that you will sound the alarm on His Holy Hill!

Kindest regards in Christ,

James Sundquist
Director

DISCLAIMER: Rock Salt Publishing was founded by author James Sundquist as a volunteer discernment ministry to assist those who have been affected by the abuse of ecclesiastical power or false doctrine. The contents of all of the emails, articles, blogs, books and broadcasts have been researched very thoroughly and carefully. Where applicable, both documentation and supportive Scripture references are provided. It is a very serious matter to bring charges against any organization or individual, and therefore if anyone reading these charges is able to substantiate that they are false, please bring this to our attention.

]]> By: Nick http://www.h4cblog.com/john-piper-and-replacement-theology/comment-page-1#comment-7293 Nick Sun, 06 Mar 2011 23:53:07 +0000 http://www.h4cblog.com/?p=3268#comment-7293 Hello sir! Thank you for taking the time to write about this. I have been searching to understand what Dr. Piper's real stance is on the Jewish people, and your posts have helped me reach a very FAIR assessment. I especially agree with a statement you made above: <b>"Ultimately what you believe about Israel and Zion will affect ALL other areas of your theology…"</b> This could not be more accurate. May the LORD cause His face to shine on you... and bring you peace! -Nick Hello sir! Thank you for taking the time to write about this. I have been searching to understand what Dr. Piper’s real stance is on the Jewish people, and your posts have helped me reach a very FAIR assessment. I especially agree with a statement you made above: “Ultimately what you believe about Israel and Zion will affect ALL other areas of your theology…”

This could not be more accurate.

May the LORD cause His face to shine on you… and bring you peace!

-Nick

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